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Freedom at last! Goodbye awful, awful Amazon

Well, it's all over. After selling off much of my oversized CD and books collection over the course of nearly 20 years, Amazon has restricted my account, unverified my bank details and demanded I register as a business, even though I am a hobby seller and always have been.

I've never had more than one of any item, and never replenished stocks of the same thing after it sold. However, the fact that I have listed a handful of things as being in 'new' condition means, in Amazon's eyes, that I cannot possibly be an individual, rather than a business.

Those 'new' items that I have listed are based on their condition, as per the Amazon name for that variable. They are pristine books I never got round to reading; CDs that came with Amazon Autorip (so never needed to be taken out of their shrinkwrap if I didn't like them enough to keep a physical copy); and the occasional unwanted gift.

But, apparently, Amazon now conflates its own 'condition' category with provenance: i.e. where I sourced an item, and for what reason.

I have refused to register my status (or 'legal entity') on here as a business, as I am not one, and I believe that to do so would therefore constitute fraud.

I have tried to raise this with Amazon four times, but have been met with deliberately unhelpful responses every time.

So, with no other alternative, I quit. I will make use of ebay and Discogs to shift my remaining CDs, and the books can go to charity.

Frankly, it's a relief. Amazon Marketplace has become increasingly unuseable and the fees grotesque. Selling a CD for less than a fiver has become essentially pointless.

But I wish I was leaving by choice, rather than being told that, in order to stay, I have to register false information.

Why am I sharing all this? Who knows. It's mildly cathartic. But only mildly. Thanks for reading.

S

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Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3

Freedom at last! Goodbye awful, awful Amazon

Well, it's all over. After selling off much of my oversized CD and books collection over the course of nearly 20 years, Amazon has restricted my account, unverified my bank details and demanded I register as a business, even though I am a hobby seller and always have been.

I've never had more than one of any item, and never replenished stocks of the same thing after it sold. However, the fact that I have listed a handful of things as being in 'new' condition means, in Amazon's eyes, that I cannot possibly be an individual, rather than a business.

Those 'new' items that I have listed are based on their condition, as per the Amazon name for that variable. They are pristine books I never got round to reading; CDs that came with Amazon Autorip (so never needed to be taken out of their shrinkwrap if I didn't like them enough to keep a physical copy); and the occasional unwanted gift.

But, apparently, Amazon now conflates its own 'condition' category with provenance: i.e. where I sourced an item, and for what reason.

I have refused to register my status (or 'legal entity') on here as a business, as I am not one, and I believe that to do so would therefore constitute fraud.

I have tried to raise this with Amazon four times, but have been met with deliberately unhelpful responses every time.

So, with no other alternative, I quit. I will make use of ebay and Discogs to shift my remaining CDs, and the books can go to charity.

Frankly, it's a relief. Amazon Marketplace has become increasingly unuseable and the fees grotesque. Selling a CD for less than a fiver has become essentially pointless.

But I wish I was leaving by choice, rather than being told that, in order to stay, I have to register false information.

Why am I sharing all this? Who knows. It's mildly cathartic. But only mildly. Thanks for reading.

S

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

well in fairness your issue stems from listing as new.

You should have listed as Used (Like New) given your items were procured from retail stores, they were still second hand.

I get it’s probably little comfort now, but that was the issue.

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Seller_OC4AKQTpHwKwL

GGOD LUCK!!!!!

Enjoy your Saturdays & Sundays & every other day that you don't have to bother with platform.

What goes on, on this platform is a mystery. This - in my opinion, is not the right way to run a business. Mover over, if sellers did what Amazon do, we would be kicked off!!!!

Enjoy every single minute of your peace.

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Seller_FQHkqHJI5SqTh

That's what I thought when I was transitioning my business, but they still came knocking. Although when the dust finally settled they owed me money.

It was the few new items that I still had, bought from wholesalers, that caused the problem and as I had a proper job at the time any profit on them was deemed taxable earnings.

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And, of course, HMRC are welcome to pay me a visit and see my little under-the-stairs stash of unwanted, for-sale stuff and try to deem it as a business!
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Seller_WxFhZqFW2rE2h

omg you're lucky. It's not been a year for me and they gave me 60 days to register which I will not do as I'm in the same position

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Seller_VpTps3nNkV8hZ

I was communicating with my (Labour) MP at the time and he was quite interested in the idea and was working with other MPs, across parties, on it. These things take an age though.

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Seller_AVteysPitiEJq
It was established that while legislation for protection of sellers is vital, it'll be highly unlikely if it'll ever come in and that's when the Tories were in charge....I doubt Labour will bring it in either as they're not the party that reads the room very well
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Seller_RAXEWLxQ2dbmN

I think there have been some slightly misleading comments in this thread suggesting that selling 'new' makes you a business.

While that might be true, especially in Amazon's eyes, in legal terms it is not the physical condition of items you sell so much as the regularity and reason why you sell them. If you buy things regularly with an eye to selling them and turn over above a certain amount, you are 'in business'.

There are lots of businesses on Amazon that sell only or mostly used items.

There are also many businesses or sole traders who do not pay the monthly subscription.

Having said all that, 'new' is not merely a condition category on Amazon. It indicates to their bots that you are trading / in business.

Numerous sellers (certainly in BMVD) have been suspended for selling 'used as new'.

While listing [technically used] items as 'new' can give you a big advantage when it comes to being awarded the buy box, you run the risk of being suspended if you cannot produce official invoices to prove the chain of supply.

Since Amazon introduced very strict rules for listing numerous 'popular' items in BMVD in any condition it has become practically impossible for most sellers to comply. But that's another story...

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Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

There are sellers who try to avoid paying their due in taxes by claiming to not be a business. Some get found out by Amazon by sales statistics and it seems some, who are legitimately selling their own stuff like you, are tarred with the same brush. It's a numbers game, with the huge numbers of sellers and the ratio of real Amazon support humans to sellers is 10: just short of infinite (I know I have been told ten million thousand times not to exaggerate) the chances of individuals having their cases looked at by grey matter is remote.

It might be better for the buyer (and fairer for businesses) if only businesses could sell as new, then they would be more (not absolutely) certain that the supply chain is authentic. There could be an argument for Amazon to only have sellers who are businesses. Other platforms seem to be more geared up for individuals selling their own stuff. I guess it depends on how many genuine individuals there are on Amazon.

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Seller_lnQKaZJGTX769

Its a weight off your shoulders. that's what selling on amazon is now.

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Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3

Freedom at last! Goodbye awful, awful Amazon

Well, it's all over. After selling off much of my oversized CD and books collection over the course of nearly 20 years, Amazon has restricted my account, unverified my bank details and demanded I register as a business, even though I am a hobby seller and always have been.

I've never had more than one of any item, and never replenished stocks of the same thing after it sold. However, the fact that I have listed a handful of things as being in 'new' condition means, in Amazon's eyes, that I cannot possibly be an individual, rather than a business.

Those 'new' items that I have listed are based on their condition, as per the Amazon name for that variable. They are pristine books I never got round to reading; CDs that came with Amazon Autorip (so never needed to be taken out of their shrinkwrap if I didn't like them enough to keep a physical copy); and the occasional unwanted gift.

But, apparently, Amazon now conflates its own 'condition' category with provenance: i.e. where I sourced an item, and for what reason.

I have refused to register my status (or 'legal entity') on here as a business, as I am not one, and I believe that to do so would therefore constitute fraud.

I have tried to raise this with Amazon four times, but have been met with deliberately unhelpful responses every time.

So, with no other alternative, I quit. I will make use of ebay and Discogs to shift my remaining CDs, and the books can go to charity.

Frankly, it's a relief. Amazon Marketplace has become increasingly unuseable and the fees grotesque. Selling a CD for less than a fiver has become essentially pointless.

But I wish I was leaving by choice, rather than being told that, in order to stay, I have to register false information.

Why am I sharing all this? Who knows. It's mildly cathartic. But only mildly. Thanks for reading.

S

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Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3

Freedom at last! Goodbye awful, awful Amazon

Well, it's all over. After selling off much of my oversized CD and books collection over the course of nearly 20 years, Amazon has restricted my account, unverified my bank details and demanded I register as a business, even though I am a hobby seller and always have been.

I've never had more than one of any item, and never replenished stocks of the same thing after it sold. However, the fact that I have listed a handful of things as being in 'new' condition means, in Amazon's eyes, that I cannot possibly be an individual, rather than a business.

Those 'new' items that I have listed are based on their condition, as per the Amazon name for that variable. They are pristine books I never got round to reading; CDs that came with Amazon Autorip (so never needed to be taken out of their shrinkwrap if I didn't like them enough to keep a physical copy); and the occasional unwanted gift.

But, apparently, Amazon now conflates its own 'condition' category with provenance: i.e. where I sourced an item, and for what reason.

I have refused to register my status (or 'legal entity') on here as a business, as I am not one, and I believe that to do so would therefore constitute fraud.

I have tried to raise this with Amazon four times, but have been met with deliberately unhelpful responses every time.

So, with no other alternative, I quit. I will make use of ebay and Discogs to shift my remaining CDs, and the books can go to charity.

Frankly, it's a relief. Amazon Marketplace has become increasingly unuseable and the fees grotesque. Selling a CD for less than a fiver has become essentially pointless.

But I wish I was leaving by choice, rather than being told that, in order to stay, I have to register false information.

Why am I sharing all this? Who knows. It's mildly cathartic. But only mildly. Thanks for reading.

S

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Freedom at last! Goodbye awful, awful Amazon

by Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3

Well, it's all over. After selling off much of my oversized CD and books collection over the course of nearly 20 years, Amazon has restricted my account, unverified my bank details and demanded I register as a business, even though I am a hobby seller and always have been.

I've never had more than one of any item, and never replenished stocks of the same thing after it sold. However, the fact that I have listed a handful of things as being in 'new' condition means, in Amazon's eyes, that I cannot possibly be an individual, rather than a business.

Those 'new' items that I have listed are based on their condition, as per the Amazon name for that variable. They are pristine books I never got round to reading; CDs that came with Amazon Autorip (so never needed to be taken out of their shrinkwrap if I didn't like them enough to keep a physical copy); and the occasional unwanted gift.

But, apparently, Amazon now conflates its own 'condition' category with provenance: i.e. where I sourced an item, and for what reason.

I have refused to register my status (or 'legal entity') on here as a business, as I am not one, and I believe that to do so would therefore constitute fraud.

I have tried to raise this with Amazon four times, but have been met with deliberately unhelpful responses every time.

So, with no other alternative, I quit. I will make use of ebay and Discogs to shift my remaining CDs, and the books can go to charity.

Frankly, it's a relief. Amazon Marketplace has become increasingly unuseable and the fees grotesque. Selling a CD for less than a fiver has become essentially pointless.

But I wish I was leaving by choice, rather than being told that, in order to stay, I have to register false information.

Why am I sharing all this? Who knows. It's mildly cathartic. But only mildly. Thanks for reading.

S

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

well in fairness your issue stems from listing as new.

You should have listed as Used (Like New) given your items were procured from retail stores, they were still second hand.

I get it’s probably little comfort now, but that was the issue.

2117
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Seller_OC4AKQTpHwKwL

GGOD LUCK!!!!!

Enjoy your Saturdays & Sundays & every other day that you don't have to bother with platform.

What goes on, on this platform is a mystery. This - in my opinion, is not the right way to run a business. Mover over, if sellers did what Amazon do, we would be kicked off!!!!

Enjoy every single minute of your peace.

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Seller_FQHkqHJI5SqTh

That's what I thought when I was transitioning my business, but they still came knocking. Although when the dust finally settled they owed me money.

It was the few new items that I still had, bought from wholesalers, that caused the problem and as I had a proper job at the time any profit on them was deemed taxable earnings.

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Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3
And, of course, HMRC are welcome to pay me a visit and see my little under-the-stairs stash of unwanted, for-sale stuff and try to deem it as a business!
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Seller_WxFhZqFW2rE2h

omg you're lucky. It's not been a year for me and they gave me 60 days to register which I will not do as I'm in the same position

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Seller_VpTps3nNkV8hZ

I was communicating with my (Labour) MP at the time and he was quite interested in the idea and was working with other MPs, across parties, on it. These things take an age though.

user profile
Seller_AVteysPitiEJq
It was established that while legislation for protection of sellers is vital, it'll be highly unlikely if it'll ever come in and that's when the Tories were in charge....I doubt Labour will bring it in either as they're not the party that reads the room very well
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Seller_RAXEWLxQ2dbmN

I think there have been some slightly misleading comments in this thread suggesting that selling 'new' makes you a business.

While that might be true, especially in Amazon's eyes, in legal terms it is not the physical condition of items you sell so much as the regularity and reason why you sell them. If you buy things regularly with an eye to selling them and turn over above a certain amount, you are 'in business'.

There are lots of businesses on Amazon that sell only or mostly used items.

There are also many businesses or sole traders who do not pay the monthly subscription.

Having said all that, 'new' is not merely a condition category on Amazon. It indicates to their bots that you are trading / in business.

Numerous sellers (certainly in BMVD) have been suspended for selling 'used as new'.

While listing [technically used] items as 'new' can give you a big advantage when it comes to being awarded the buy box, you run the risk of being suspended if you cannot produce official invoices to prove the chain of supply.

Since Amazon introduced very strict rules for listing numerous 'popular' items in BMVD in any condition it has become practically impossible for most sellers to comply. But that's another story...

22
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Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

There are sellers who try to avoid paying their due in taxes by claiming to not be a business. Some get found out by Amazon by sales statistics and it seems some, who are legitimately selling their own stuff like you, are tarred with the same brush. It's a numbers game, with the huge numbers of sellers and the ratio of real Amazon support humans to sellers is 10: just short of infinite (I know I have been told ten million thousand times not to exaggerate) the chances of individuals having their cases looked at by grey matter is remote.

It might be better for the buyer (and fairer for businesses) if only businesses could sell as new, then they would be more (not absolutely) certain that the supply chain is authentic. There could be an argument for Amazon to only have sellers who are businesses. Other platforms seem to be more geared up for individuals selling their own stuff. I guess it depends on how many genuine individuals there are on Amazon.

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Seller_lnQKaZJGTX769

Its a weight off your shoulders. that's what selling on amazon is now.

30
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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

well in fairness your issue stems from listing as new.

You should have listed as Used (Like New) given your items were procured from retail stores, they were still second hand.

I get it’s probably little comfort now, but that was the issue.

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

well in fairness your issue stems from listing as new.

You should have listed as Used (Like New) given your items were procured from retail stores, they were still second hand.

I get it’s probably little comfort now, but that was the issue.

2117
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Seller_OC4AKQTpHwKwL

GGOD LUCK!!!!!

Enjoy your Saturdays & Sundays & every other day that you don't have to bother with platform.

What goes on, on this platform is a mystery. This - in my opinion, is not the right way to run a business. Mover over, if sellers did what Amazon do, we would be kicked off!!!!

Enjoy every single minute of your peace.

250
user profile
Seller_OC4AKQTpHwKwL

GGOD LUCK!!!!!

Enjoy your Saturdays & Sundays & every other day that you don't have to bother with platform.

What goes on, on this platform is a mystery. This - in my opinion, is not the right way to run a business. Mover over, if sellers did what Amazon do, we would be kicked off!!!!

Enjoy every single minute of your peace.

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Seller_FQHkqHJI5SqTh

That's what I thought when I was transitioning my business, but they still came knocking. Although when the dust finally settled they owed me money.

It was the few new items that I still had, bought from wholesalers, that caused the problem and as I had a proper job at the time any profit on them was deemed taxable earnings.

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Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3
And, of course, HMRC are welcome to pay me a visit and see my little under-the-stairs stash of unwanted, for-sale stuff and try to deem it as a business!
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Seller_FQHkqHJI5SqTh

That's what I thought when I was transitioning my business, but they still came knocking. Although when the dust finally settled they owed me money.

It was the few new items that I still had, bought from wholesalers, that caused the problem and as I had a proper job at the time any profit on them was deemed taxable earnings.

user profile
Seller_PmdUS01XxwIf3
And, of course, HMRC are welcome to pay me a visit and see my little under-the-stairs stash of unwanted, for-sale stuff and try to deem it as a business!
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Seller_WxFhZqFW2rE2h

omg you're lucky. It's not been a year for me and they gave me 60 days to register which I will not do as I'm in the same position

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Seller_WxFhZqFW2rE2h

omg you're lucky. It's not been a year for me and they gave me 60 days to register which I will not do as I'm in the same position

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Seller_VpTps3nNkV8hZ

I was communicating with my (Labour) MP at the time and he was quite interested in the idea and was working with other MPs, across parties, on it. These things take an age though.

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Seller_AVteysPitiEJq
It was established that while legislation for protection of sellers is vital, it'll be highly unlikely if it'll ever come in and that's when the Tories were in charge....I doubt Labour will bring it in either as they're not the party that reads the room very well
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Seller_VpTps3nNkV8hZ

I was communicating with my (Labour) MP at the time and he was quite interested in the idea and was working with other MPs, across parties, on it. These things take an age though.

user profile
Seller_AVteysPitiEJq
It was established that while legislation for protection of sellers is vital, it'll be highly unlikely if it'll ever come in and that's when the Tories were in charge....I doubt Labour will bring it in either as they're not the party that reads the room very well
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Seller_RAXEWLxQ2dbmN

I think there have been some slightly misleading comments in this thread suggesting that selling 'new' makes you a business.

While that might be true, especially in Amazon's eyes, in legal terms it is not the physical condition of items you sell so much as the regularity and reason why you sell them. If you buy things regularly with an eye to selling them and turn over above a certain amount, you are 'in business'.

There are lots of businesses on Amazon that sell only or mostly used items.

There are also many businesses or sole traders who do not pay the monthly subscription.

Having said all that, 'new' is not merely a condition category on Amazon. It indicates to their bots that you are trading / in business.

Numerous sellers (certainly in BMVD) have been suspended for selling 'used as new'.

While listing [technically used] items as 'new' can give you a big advantage when it comes to being awarded the buy box, you run the risk of being suspended if you cannot produce official invoices to prove the chain of supply.

Since Amazon introduced very strict rules for listing numerous 'popular' items in BMVD in any condition it has become practically impossible for most sellers to comply. But that's another story...

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Seller_RAXEWLxQ2dbmN

I think there have been some slightly misleading comments in this thread suggesting that selling 'new' makes you a business.

While that might be true, especially in Amazon's eyes, in legal terms it is not the physical condition of items you sell so much as the regularity and reason why you sell them. If you buy things regularly with an eye to selling them and turn over above a certain amount, you are 'in business'.

There are lots of businesses on Amazon that sell only or mostly used items.

There are also many businesses or sole traders who do not pay the monthly subscription.

Having said all that, 'new' is not merely a condition category on Amazon. It indicates to their bots that you are trading / in business.

Numerous sellers (certainly in BMVD) have been suspended for selling 'used as new'.

While listing [technically used] items as 'new' can give you a big advantage when it comes to being awarded the buy box, you run the risk of being suspended if you cannot produce official invoices to prove the chain of supply.

Since Amazon introduced very strict rules for listing numerous 'popular' items in BMVD in any condition it has become practically impossible for most sellers to comply. But that's another story...

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Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

There are sellers who try to avoid paying their due in taxes by claiming to not be a business. Some get found out by Amazon by sales statistics and it seems some, who are legitimately selling their own stuff like you, are tarred with the same brush. It's a numbers game, with the huge numbers of sellers and the ratio of real Amazon support humans to sellers is 10: just short of infinite (I know I have been told ten million thousand times not to exaggerate) the chances of individuals having their cases looked at by grey matter is remote.

It might be better for the buyer (and fairer for businesses) if only businesses could sell as new, then they would be more (not absolutely) certain that the supply chain is authentic. There could be an argument for Amazon to only have sellers who are businesses. Other platforms seem to be more geared up for individuals selling their own stuff. I guess it depends on how many genuine individuals there are on Amazon.

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Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

There are sellers who try to avoid paying their due in taxes by claiming to not be a business. Some get found out by Amazon by sales statistics and it seems some, who are legitimately selling their own stuff like you, are tarred with the same brush. It's a numbers game, with the huge numbers of sellers and the ratio of real Amazon support humans to sellers is 10: just short of infinite (I know I have been told ten million thousand times not to exaggerate) the chances of individuals having their cases looked at by grey matter is remote.

It might be better for the buyer (and fairer for businesses) if only businesses could sell as new, then they would be more (not absolutely) certain that the supply chain is authentic. There could be an argument for Amazon to only have sellers who are businesses. Other platforms seem to be more geared up for individuals selling their own stuff. I guess it depends on how many genuine individuals there are on Amazon.

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Seller_lnQKaZJGTX769

Its a weight off your shoulders. that's what selling on amazon is now.

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Seller_lnQKaZJGTX769

Its a weight off your shoulders. that's what selling on amazon is now.

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