Scam buyers and how to deal with them!
Hello all,
I am a new seller on Amazon and have been having problems with some customers who I feel are quite blatantly trying to scam me for a refund on their order.I have read a few posts about customers scamming low cost items and wondered what other peoples’ experiences are in relation to this matter?
Last week I received an order from a customer who, a few days later asked for a refund as their item had been not been delivered in time. Upon inspection, I found out that the item in question had an estimated delivery date of the 27th March so could not have possibly been late as the customer logged the return request on Monday 25th March! The order had been sent on time and I provided the customer with details of proof of posting, including date and time of posting. I also attached a copy of the order details which clearly stated the estimated delivery date and asked how an item can be late if it is not due for delivery for another two days? The customers’ response to this was to send a message with the words “IMMEDIATE REFUND”. Err, no. I responded by stating that they will receive a refund upon return of the goods and not before and if they had an issue with this them they should contact Amazon customer services.
I also received a message from a buyer stating they had not received their item. Ahh, this old chestnut. As an Ebay seller I am all too aware of this and 9 times out of 10 customers go strangely silent when you provide a proof of postage. Not in this case. The customer sent a message demanding to know where their item was. I sent a copy of the proof of postage and they replied by saying “IS THIS A SCAM?” No,dear customer, this is not a scam. Funny that the ones who are scamming the seller usually mention a “scam”. I usually deal with them by stating that Royal Mail UK take mail theft very seriously as it is a criminal offence and I report ALL incidences of alleged mail going missing to their fraud and investigation department. I also advise the customer that I will be sending their order details to Royal Mail UK for the purpose of their investigations. Funny thing is that my customers go very quiet when I tell them this and cease moaning about their “missing” order.
Anyway, I decided to give this customer the benefit of the doubt and sent another order tracked and signed for immediately. The customer then sent a return request stating the items were “not as described”. I messaged the customer asking them to explain why the item is not as described and got no response. So the first order “Goes missing” and the second order is not as described? Really? No. It again is quite obvious that the customer has received the first order and is just trying to scam the money back for the item. I am now awaiting return of the second item which, as of yet, has not arrived. So zero refund if the item isn’t back in my possession.
I fulfill my own orders at present because I simply cannot afford the costs to store my products in the EU fulfillment centres. It would save a lot of hassle if Amazon could deal with my customer service but at present this is not an option. Therefore does anyone have any more tips on how to deal with these scam buyers? I currently sell in France, Germany, Italy and Spain and have the most items going “missing” in France. I have spoke to Amazon seller support and they are about as much use as half a scissor. The last conversation with an Amazon representative led to him cutting me off because he couldn’t answer my questions about seller protection for self fulfilled sellers. I feel that Amazon make it as difficult as possible for you if you are a small business and offer little support.
Scam buyers and how to deal with them!
Hello all,
I am a new seller on Amazon and have been having problems with some customers who I feel are quite blatantly trying to scam me for a refund on their order.I have read a few posts about customers scamming low cost items and wondered what other peoples’ experiences are in relation to this matter?
Last week I received an order from a customer who, a few days later asked for a refund as their item had been not been delivered in time. Upon inspection, I found out that the item in question had an estimated delivery date of the 27th March so could not have possibly been late as the customer logged the return request on Monday 25th March! The order had been sent on time and I provided the customer with details of proof of posting, including date and time of posting. I also attached a copy of the order details which clearly stated the estimated delivery date and asked how an item can be late if it is not due for delivery for another two days? The customers’ response to this was to send a message with the words “IMMEDIATE REFUND”. Err, no. I responded by stating that they will receive a refund upon return of the goods and not before and if they had an issue with this them they should contact Amazon customer services.
I also received a message from a buyer stating they had not received their item. Ahh, this old chestnut. As an Ebay seller I am all too aware of this and 9 times out of 10 customers go strangely silent when you provide a proof of postage. Not in this case. The customer sent a message demanding to know where their item was. I sent a copy of the proof of postage and they replied by saying “IS THIS A SCAM?” No,dear customer, this is not a scam. Funny that the ones who are scamming the seller usually mention a “scam”. I usually deal with them by stating that Royal Mail UK take mail theft very seriously as it is a criminal offence and I report ALL incidences of alleged mail going missing to their fraud and investigation department. I also advise the customer that I will be sending their order details to Royal Mail UK for the purpose of their investigations. Funny thing is that my customers go very quiet when I tell them this and cease moaning about their “missing” order.
Anyway, I decided to give this customer the benefit of the doubt and sent another order tracked and signed for immediately. The customer then sent a return request stating the items were “not as described”. I messaged the customer asking them to explain why the item is not as described and got no response. So the first order “Goes missing” and the second order is not as described? Really? No. It again is quite obvious that the customer has received the first order and is just trying to scam the money back for the item. I am now awaiting return of the second item which, as of yet, has not arrived. So zero refund if the item isn’t back in my possession.
I fulfill my own orders at present because I simply cannot afford the costs to store my products in the EU fulfillment centres. It would save a lot of hassle if Amazon could deal with my customer service but at present this is not an option. Therefore does anyone have any more tips on how to deal with these scam buyers? I currently sell in France, Germany, Italy and Spain and have the most items going “missing” in France. I have spoke to Amazon seller support and they are about as much use as half a scissor. The last conversation with an Amazon representative led to him cutting me off because he couldn’t answer my questions about seller protection for self fulfilled sellers. I feel that Amazon make it as difficult as possible for you if you are a small business and offer little support.
140 replies
Seller_YSVJTvJFHSin4
Welcome to Planet Amazon, where the gravity is strange.
The subject of scamming comes up a lot on this forum and your experience is not unusual. You will find these issues explored on countless threads. You clearly have a fair amount of experience from your time on EBay in any case, and dealing with scammers here is not much different. For example, no refund without a return, no matter what they say.
One suggestion I would make based on your message is never to send a replacement item for an order you have already shipped, especially if you think you are being scammed. Contest the buyer’s INR claim if you can, by all means, but do not ship them a replacement using the same order number.
Seller_PtSZDCRO4f7e5
I had 2 A-Z opened after 4 days of sending the item
Puts a smile on my face
Seller_gtBo5tFw0f3kO
Amazon´s politics-falicities-answers-behaviours help so much to scammers, that I would say: Amazon is the secondary scammer in nearly all these cases.
Seller_7AjlD0wnUlfiw
You’re not the only seller complaining about French deliveries, check this thread:
and please, do NOT dispatch replacements until you got the returns back to your warehouse!
Seller_THte9Ti6D9kqC
you’re awesome
Love reading your comments
Seller_eQHVZA2mxkNR6
Proof of postage won’t cut it. You will only ever have a chance of winning any case involving Amazon if you send tracked/signed for. Any return request, don’t worry about what they mark down as a reason just authorise it but don’t ever refund until you receive the item back. If you have a feeling that it’s going to be an awkward customer open a case with seller support stating what you have done and why, they then have a record of things before there is any potential hastle.
Seller_EJIX7rqDNQJi2
From your post it sounds like you are dealing with the same type of buyers as me.
These are specific for low value orders. On my other accounts, where I am selling more expensive items, I never experienced anything like this.
The buyers are simply fishing for refunds and taking every opportunity. If you are able to prove the delivery of their cheap purchase, they will immediately change the story to say that the item was not as described, hoping that you will finally issue a refund and grant them a freebie.
Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. This is Amazon.
Seller_Og7nq7tPaGzjm
We have also had quite a few INR from France in particular and they mostly ask for a refund straight away. Is it a new pattern /wave ? Or is it only us?
Seller_BuNMsd0so0Amp
Even half a scissor can still stab you in the back.
No sales today but, yes, I had to do a refund.
Low value item returned opened but felt forced to still refund - even though it can’t be resold - because of the possibility of an A-Z - unfair.
On the other place I had, yesterday, an INR claim from Italy 42 days after the last expected delivery date. I refused to refund and pointed out the 30 day notification policy of the other place. The buyer then closed the case - probably a try-it-on. Maybe it helped that my email response was in Italian. I’ve blocked “The Buyer” from placing future orders - wish I could do that on this place.
Seller_jjQ4dQOPjTmqs
It would save a lot of hassle if Amazon could deal with my customer service
Whatever gave you that idea?
You’re far better off dealing with difficult customers yourself - be accurate, be courteous, but be firm.