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Widespread Refund Fraud on Non-Returnable Items - A Growing Issue Affecting Sellers - eBay, OnBuy external dropshippers

I want to bring to your attention a serious issue affecting sellers that we have identified and thoroughly investigated over the past several months. This ongoing fraud is resulting in massive financial losses, and it is happening across multiple sellers. After escalating this issue to Amazon, we are yet to see meaningful action, so I am posting here to raise awareness and hear from others who might be facing the same problem.

The Refund Abuse: How It Works

This fraud primarily affects non-returnable items and follows a clear pattern that allows buyers to exploit Amazon’s refund system while keeping the product. Here’s what we have observed:

A fraudulent buyer places an order for a non-returnable item on Amazon, often through Amazon Prime.

The order is successfully delivered, with tracking confirmation, GPS proof, and a delivery image.

The buyer then requests a refund, citing a random reason (e.g., “wrong item,” “damaged,” etc.).

Since the product is non-returnable, Amazon processes the refund immediately, without requiring the buyer to return the item.

The buyer keeps both the item and the refund, while we as sellers lose both inventory and revenue.

Key Red Flags We Have Identified

Orders are always for non-returnable ASINs (suggesting deliberate targeting).

Amazon grants refund automatically, without verifying claims or requiring returns as it is a non-returnable product.

These buyers do not contact us directly—we only find out after the refund is processed, but there is still no contact from the buyer.

No A-to-Z claims are filed, no returns are requested, and no seller dispute process is followed.

Expansion of the Fraud: External Marketplaces Involved

We recently discovered that this refund fraud is from sellers from other marketplaces such as eBay and OnBuy. Here’s what we found:

A third-party seller lists a product on eBay or OnBuy at a lower price than on Amazon.

A customer places an order on that external marketplace.

Instead of fulfilling the order themselves, the external seller places an order on Amazon (using Prime) with the buyer address who placed the order on that external marketplace, and that Amazon seller (we) ship directly to the buyers address, which is actually the address of the order of that external platform.

The order gets delivered successfully as a Prime order.

After delivery, the external seller fraudulently claims a refund on Amazon, knowing that the product is non-returnable.

Amazon refunds them immediately, allowing them to keep both their profit and the product, while we take a complete loss. Even a Safe-T claim will not be passed as it is a non-returnable product.

Proof of This Exploit – A Test We Conducted

To verify this, we placed an order on OnBuy for £18 and shortly after, the same order appeared in our Amazon store for £35. THis is aproduct only we offer so it of course came to us. This confirmed that OnBuy sellers are simply placing orders on Amazon for higher prices and later exploiting Amazon’s refund system to get their money back.

It can be OnBuy, eBay or any external channel for that matter.

The phone number on the Amazon order was slightly modified (e.g., changing the last two digits), preventing us from contacting the actual customer. This suggests a deliberate effort to block verification and avoid being caught. And of course, we cannot verify customers by calling them an every order basis.

Our Attempts to Resolve This with Amazon

We have submitted SAFE-T claims for such orders.

These orders have successful delivery proof, yet refunds are granted automatically.

Amazon Seller Support and the Safe-T claims team, keeps responding with a generic response saying the item is non-returnable and the refund was "seller responsibility."

Despite providing clear evidence of fraud, Amazon has not taken any meaningful action to stop this.

The Financial Impact on Sellers

This loophole is being exploited daily, and Amazon’s refund policies are making it easy for fraudulent buyers and resellers to take advantage of sellers.

Raise awareness—if this has happened to you, share your experiences below or check your refunds for such a pattern.

Check your refunded orders for a pattern of non-returnable items being refunded.

Look out for orders that are identical to external marketplace sales—you may find that another seller is using Amazon to fulfill their orders and then fraudulently claiming refunds.

Escalate cases beyond standard Seller Support—we have contacted the Amazon UK Managing Director’s Office, Executive Escalations Team, and CEO Office to push for change.

Pressure Amazon to investigate and change its refund policy on non-returnable items—refunds should require at least some verification instead of being granted automatically.

Amazon needs to reimburse sellers affected by this, as this is a clear fraudulent pattern and genuine sellers are penalised for this.

We believe the following actions should be taken:

Reimburse affected sellers for wrongly denied SAFE-T claims. How these can be verified is the issue, but at least the sellers who have ben affected have evidence of a successful delivery.

Stop issuing automatic refunds for non-returnable items without verification or a process to prevent the fraudulent pattern.

Investigate and take action against buyer accounts showing a pattern of refund abuse.

If you have faced similar issues, please comment below!

Let’s work together to make Amazon aware of this issue and push for changes that protect sellers from this growing fraud.

I hope the moderators are looking in to this as well.

@Ezra_Amazon@Sarah_Amzn@Julia_Amazon

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Widespread Refund Fraud on Non-Returnable Items - A Growing Issue Affecting Sellers - eBay, OnBuy external dropshippers

I want to bring to your attention a serious issue affecting sellers that we have identified and thoroughly investigated over the past several months. This ongoing fraud is resulting in massive financial losses, and it is happening across multiple sellers. After escalating this issue to Amazon, we are yet to see meaningful action, so I am posting here to raise awareness and hear from others who might be facing the same problem.

The Refund Abuse: How It Works

This fraud primarily affects non-returnable items and follows a clear pattern that allows buyers to exploit Amazon’s refund system while keeping the product. Here’s what we have observed:

A fraudulent buyer places an order for a non-returnable item on Amazon, often through Amazon Prime.

The order is successfully delivered, with tracking confirmation, GPS proof, and a delivery image.

The buyer then requests a refund, citing a random reason (e.g., “wrong item,” “damaged,” etc.).

Since the product is non-returnable, Amazon processes the refund immediately, without requiring the buyer to return the item.

The buyer keeps both the item and the refund, while we as sellers lose both inventory and revenue.

Key Red Flags We Have Identified

Orders are always for non-returnable ASINs (suggesting deliberate targeting).

Amazon grants refund automatically, without verifying claims or requiring returns as it is a non-returnable product.

These buyers do not contact us directly—we only find out after the refund is processed, but there is still no contact from the buyer.

No A-to-Z claims are filed, no returns are requested, and no seller dispute process is followed.

Expansion of the Fraud: External Marketplaces Involved

We recently discovered that this refund fraud is from sellers from other marketplaces such as eBay and OnBuy. Here’s what we found:

A third-party seller lists a product on eBay or OnBuy at a lower price than on Amazon.

A customer places an order on that external marketplace.

Instead of fulfilling the order themselves, the external seller places an order on Amazon (using Prime) with the buyer address who placed the order on that external marketplace, and that Amazon seller (we) ship directly to the buyers address, which is actually the address of the order of that external platform.

The order gets delivered successfully as a Prime order.

After delivery, the external seller fraudulently claims a refund on Amazon, knowing that the product is non-returnable.

Amazon refunds them immediately, allowing them to keep both their profit and the product, while we take a complete loss. Even a Safe-T claim will not be passed as it is a non-returnable product.

Proof of This Exploit – A Test We Conducted

To verify this, we placed an order on OnBuy for £18 and shortly after, the same order appeared in our Amazon store for £35. THis is aproduct only we offer so it of course came to us. This confirmed that OnBuy sellers are simply placing orders on Amazon for higher prices and later exploiting Amazon’s refund system to get their money back.

It can be OnBuy, eBay or any external channel for that matter.

The phone number on the Amazon order was slightly modified (e.g., changing the last two digits), preventing us from contacting the actual customer. This suggests a deliberate effort to block verification and avoid being caught. And of course, we cannot verify customers by calling them an every order basis.

Our Attempts to Resolve This with Amazon

We have submitted SAFE-T claims for such orders.

These orders have successful delivery proof, yet refunds are granted automatically.

Amazon Seller Support and the Safe-T claims team, keeps responding with a generic response saying the item is non-returnable and the refund was "seller responsibility."

Despite providing clear evidence of fraud, Amazon has not taken any meaningful action to stop this.

The Financial Impact on Sellers

This loophole is being exploited daily, and Amazon’s refund policies are making it easy for fraudulent buyers and resellers to take advantage of sellers.

Raise awareness—if this has happened to you, share your experiences below or check your refunds for such a pattern.

Check your refunded orders for a pattern of non-returnable items being refunded.

Look out for orders that are identical to external marketplace sales—you may find that another seller is using Amazon to fulfill their orders and then fraudulently claiming refunds.

Escalate cases beyond standard Seller Support—we have contacted the Amazon UK Managing Director’s Office, Executive Escalations Team, and CEO Office to push for change.

Pressure Amazon to investigate and change its refund policy on non-returnable items—refunds should require at least some verification instead of being granted automatically.

Amazon needs to reimburse sellers affected by this, as this is a clear fraudulent pattern and genuine sellers are penalised for this.

We believe the following actions should be taken:

Reimburse affected sellers for wrongly denied SAFE-T claims. How these can be verified is the issue, but at least the sellers who have ben affected have evidence of a successful delivery.

Stop issuing automatic refunds for non-returnable items without verification or a process to prevent the fraudulent pattern.

Investigate and take action against buyer accounts showing a pattern of refund abuse.

If you have faced similar issues, please comment below!

Let’s work together to make Amazon aware of this issue and push for changes that protect sellers from this growing fraud.

I hope the moderators are looking in to this as well.

@Ezra_Amazon@Sarah_Amzn@Julia_Amazon

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There is another post I read just before about the same issue. The seller in question had done some very in depth research and discovered a scam ring operating on eBay.

I would think this was a matter to be reported to the police, there is an internet crime division who deal with online scams.

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Seller_mgO4peX9I7oHw

hi, same issue we are facing, I will list some tips to maybe minimise the scams everybody is facing.

Always check listings compare price to onbuy/eBay etc to amazon prices, if the prices are super lower compared to amazon, most probably these listings are getting targeted, to prevent I would not SFP on these listings due to returneless refunds.

Make sure customer has a real phone number attached to the order, we have seen customers use fake phone numbers and scam us, so now if the customer does not have a real phone number we do not ship the orders out,

Check your transaction view> refunds and look out for any that you have not been notified about and file safe-T claims against them,

Usually buyers will give a very generic name and in brackets put their customers real name ().

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Here was my reply to VMLtd yesterday on another thread:

hmmmm, I have good news and bad news for you…

Good news.

Not much other than to say you are not alone and plenty of us feel your pain…

Bad news.

My business has so far lost six figures to this Amazon fraud so far. It is a daily battle which currently takes up 90% of my time and I know plenty of others who have lost massive amounts as well. We sell in Grocery so it is all about returnless refunds that the scammers/fraudsters/criminals are attacking. All being sold on eBay / OnBuy and other channels at well below cost price.

And no we can do much about it and we have to follow Amazon policies and Amazon’s response is “just turn off the listings that are in that category”…100% of my business is in that category.

Just search on here for Returnless refunds and you will see the number of affected sellers. We know of plenty more. Competitors have also contacted me with the same issue.

Safe-T don’t want to know. To make matters worse. When Amazon CS refund cause item damaged during transit without proof. You go to claim with Amazon shipping and lose because you have no proof. Anyway. It is horrific.

so to give you a flavour of where we are in the process:

1. Reported it all to Action Fraud. Other than getting a crime number they were not interested.

2. Amazon - don’t want to know. We reported 500+ very clear fraudulent refunds and were told all were genuine. SAFE-T will not do anything. Our Amazon account manger raised it internally and the response from senior sources were “think of our policy from a consumer point of view.” One of our suppliers, one of the biggest coffee companies in the world lost 50%+ of their revenue(!!) in February alone. They raised it with Amazon which acknowledged it was going on and knew the worst affected sectors but still refuse to do anything about it.

3. EBay: burying head in the sand and don’t really want to know. Head of FMCG just saying not his issue but will pass info to relevant team.

4. OnBuy: in fairness, I had a call with their Head of Risk yesterday and he was sympathetic and wanted to work together to weed out the criminals. So fingers crossed that works.

5. National press. I have contacted a well respected national broadsheet who is very interested in the story. We are sending all the data, test purchases etc. so let’s see on that front.

The reality is that we are a bunch of tiny sellers who Amazon don’t really care about. Somehow, someone needs to bring them all together in order to properly force Amazon (and the other marketplaces) to change and help the genuine sellers.

Anyone fancy running a class action? From the analysis we have done, 3rd party sellers have lost £10m+ in the last 6/9 months alone..

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Seller_FR0RYjm1PpXls

Wouldn't Amazon flag it as suspicious if they even had so many automatic refunds? Surely there's only so many accounts they can make?

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Seller_Jce4SXtmnEPc2

Thank you for sharing this—I had a feeling something was off, as we've been experiencing a similar issue, though not on as large a scale as you. We sell in the grocery category and many of our products are non-returnable, yet I've noticed that certain items are being refunded. When I repeatedly asked customer service about it, they kept stating "wrong product received."

To counter this, I installed cameras in the packing area to prove to Amazon that we’re shipping the correct items. However, despite this evidence, our SAFE-T claims are still being denied.

Have you had any success in getting SAFE-T claims approved?

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Call to arms! Journalist who is interested in this story wants to hear from as many affected sellers as possible. Let me create a new thread with more details...

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Seller_YpGZNzOJC6Bme

100% something needs to be done about this! We are losing £100s a week from this scam!

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Seller_S3aHFfAjpTNul

In fact - stop automatic refunds altogether. Reputable sellers are well able to process all claims themselves without interference from the likes of Amazon.

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Seller_hR3Ip6co3B4T7

post. Absolutely agree with you.. have you thought of going to court with this... also has the managing director email address replied to you. We have sent 46 emails but never ever received a reply?

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Widespread Refund Fraud on Non-Returnable Items - A Growing Issue Affecting Sellers - eBay, OnBuy external dropshippers

I want to bring to your attention a serious issue affecting sellers that we have identified and thoroughly investigated over the past several months. This ongoing fraud is resulting in massive financial losses, and it is happening across multiple sellers. After escalating this issue to Amazon, we are yet to see meaningful action, so I am posting here to raise awareness and hear from others who might be facing the same problem.

The Refund Abuse: How It Works

This fraud primarily affects non-returnable items and follows a clear pattern that allows buyers to exploit Amazon’s refund system while keeping the product. Here’s what we have observed:

A fraudulent buyer places an order for a non-returnable item on Amazon, often through Amazon Prime.

The order is successfully delivered, with tracking confirmation, GPS proof, and a delivery image.

The buyer then requests a refund, citing a random reason (e.g., “wrong item,” “damaged,” etc.).

Since the product is non-returnable, Amazon processes the refund immediately, without requiring the buyer to return the item.

The buyer keeps both the item and the refund, while we as sellers lose both inventory and revenue.

Key Red Flags We Have Identified

Orders are always for non-returnable ASINs (suggesting deliberate targeting).

Amazon grants refund automatically, without verifying claims or requiring returns as it is a non-returnable product.

These buyers do not contact us directly—we only find out after the refund is processed, but there is still no contact from the buyer.

No A-to-Z claims are filed, no returns are requested, and no seller dispute process is followed.

Expansion of the Fraud: External Marketplaces Involved

We recently discovered that this refund fraud is from sellers from other marketplaces such as eBay and OnBuy. Here’s what we found:

A third-party seller lists a product on eBay or OnBuy at a lower price than on Amazon.

A customer places an order on that external marketplace.

Instead of fulfilling the order themselves, the external seller places an order on Amazon (using Prime) with the buyer address who placed the order on that external marketplace, and that Amazon seller (we) ship directly to the buyers address, which is actually the address of the order of that external platform.

The order gets delivered successfully as a Prime order.

After delivery, the external seller fraudulently claims a refund on Amazon, knowing that the product is non-returnable.

Amazon refunds them immediately, allowing them to keep both their profit and the product, while we take a complete loss. Even a Safe-T claim will not be passed as it is a non-returnable product.

Proof of This Exploit – A Test We Conducted

To verify this, we placed an order on OnBuy for £18 and shortly after, the same order appeared in our Amazon store for £35. THis is aproduct only we offer so it of course came to us. This confirmed that OnBuy sellers are simply placing orders on Amazon for higher prices and later exploiting Amazon’s refund system to get their money back.

It can be OnBuy, eBay or any external channel for that matter.

The phone number on the Amazon order was slightly modified (e.g., changing the last two digits), preventing us from contacting the actual customer. This suggests a deliberate effort to block verification and avoid being caught. And of course, we cannot verify customers by calling them an every order basis.

Our Attempts to Resolve This with Amazon

We have submitted SAFE-T claims for such orders.

These orders have successful delivery proof, yet refunds are granted automatically.

Amazon Seller Support and the Safe-T claims team, keeps responding with a generic response saying the item is non-returnable and the refund was "seller responsibility."

Despite providing clear evidence of fraud, Amazon has not taken any meaningful action to stop this.

The Financial Impact on Sellers

This loophole is being exploited daily, and Amazon’s refund policies are making it easy for fraudulent buyers and resellers to take advantage of sellers.

Raise awareness—if this has happened to you, share your experiences below or check your refunds for such a pattern.

Check your refunded orders for a pattern of non-returnable items being refunded.

Look out for orders that are identical to external marketplace sales—you may find that another seller is using Amazon to fulfill their orders and then fraudulently claiming refunds.

Escalate cases beyond standard Seller Support—we have contacted the Amazon UK Managing Director’s Office, Executive Escalations Team, and CEO Office to push for change.

Pressure Amazon to investigate and change its refund policy on non-returnable items—refunds should require at least some verification instead of being granted automatically.

Amazon needs to reimburse sellers affected by this, as this is a clear fraudulent pattern and genuine sellers are penalised for this.

We believe the following actions should be taken:

Reimburse affected sellers for wrongly denied SAFE-T claims. How these can be verified is the issue, but at least the sellers who have ben affected have evidence of a successful delivery.

Stop issuing automatic refunds for non-returnable items without verification or a process to prevent the fraudulent pattern.

Investigate and take action against buyer accounts showing a pattern of refund abuse.

If you have faced similar issues, please comment below!

Let’s work together to make Amazon aware of this issue and push for changes that protect sellers from this growing fraud.

I hope the moderators are looking in to this as well.

@Ezra_Amazon@Sarah_Amzn@Julia_Amazon

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Widespread Refund Fraud on Non-Returnable Items - A Growing Issue Affecting Sellers - eBay, OnBuy external dropshippers

I want to bring to your attention a serious issue affecting sellers that we have identified and thoroughly investigated over the past several months. This ongoing fraud is resulting in massive financial losses, and it is happening across multiple sellers. After escalating this issue to Amazon, we are yet to see meaningful action, so I am posting here to raise awareness and hear from others who might be facing the same problem.

The Refund Abuse: How It Works

This fraud primarily affects non-returnable items and follows a clear pattern that allows buyers to exploit Amazon’s refund system while keeping the product. Here’s what we have observed:

A fraudulent buyer places an order for a non-returnable item on Amazon, often through Amazon Prime.

The order is successfully delivered, with tracking confirmation, GPS proof, and a delivery image.

The buyer then requests a refund, citing a random reason (e.g., “wrong item,” “damaged,” etc.).

Since the product is non-returnable, Amazon processes the refund immediately, without requiring the buyer to return the item.

The buyer keeps both the item and the refund, while we as sellers lose both inventory and revenue.

Key Red Flags We Have Identified

Orders are always for non-returnable ASINs (suggesting deliberate targeting).

Amazon grants refund automatically, without verifying claims or requiring returns as it is a non-returnable product.

These buyers do not contact us directly—we only find out after the refund is processed, but there is still no contact from the buyer.

No A-to-Z claims are filed, no returns are requested, and no seller dispute process is followed.

Expansion of the Fraud: External Marketplaces Involved

We recently discovered that this refund fraud is from sellers from other marketplaces such as eBay and OnBuy. Here’s what we found:

A third-party seller lists a product on eBay or OnBuy at a lower price than on Amazon.

A customer places an order on that external marketplace.

Instead of fulfilling the order themselves, the external seller places an order on Amazon (using Prime) with the buyer address who placed the order on that external marketplace, and that Amazon seller (we) ship directly to the buyers address, which is actually the address of the order of that external platform.

The order gets delivered successfully as a Prime order.

After delivery, the external seller fraudulently claims a refund on Amazon, knowing that the product is non-returnable.

Amazon refunds them immediately, allowing them to keep both their profit and the product, while we take a complete loss. Even a Safe-T claim will not be passed as it is a non-returnable product.

Proof of This Exploit – A Test We Conducted

To verify this, we placed an order on OnBuy for £18 and shortly after, the same order appeared in our Amazon store for £35. THis is aproduct only we offer so it of course came to us. This confirmed that OnBuy sellers are simply placing orders on Amazon for higher prices and later exploiting Amazon’s refund system to get their money back.

It can be OnBuy, eBay or any external channel for that matter.

The phone number on the Amazon order was slightly modified (e.g., changing the last two digits), preventing us from contacting the actual customer. This suggests a deliberate effort to block verification and avoid being caught. And of course, we cannot verify customers by calling them an every order basis.

Our Attempts to Resolve This with Amazon

We have submitted SAFE-T claims for such orders.

These orders have successful delivery proof, yet refunds are granted automatically.

Amazon Seller Support and the Safe-T claims team, keeps responding with a generic response saying the item is non-returnable and the refund was "seller responsibility."

Despite providing clear evidence of fraud, Amazon has not taken any meaningful action to stop this.

The Financial Impact on Sellers

This loophole is being exploited daily, and Amazon’s refund policies are making it easy for fraudulent buyers and resellers to take advantage of sellers.

Raise awareness—if this has happened to you, share your experiences below or check your refunds for such a pattern.

Check your refunded orders for a pattern of non-returnable items being refunded.

Look out for orders that are identical to external marketplace sales—you may find that another seller is using Amazon to fulfill their orders and then fraudulently claiming refunds.

Escalate cases beyond standard Seller Support—we have contacted the Amazon UK Managing Director’s Office, Executive Escalations Team, and CEO Office to push for change.

Pressure Amazon to investigate and change its refund policy on non-returnable items—refunds should require at least some verification instead of being granted automatically.

Amazon needs to reimburse sellers affected by this, as this is a clear fraudulent pattern and genuine sellers are penalised for this.

We believe the following actions should be taken:

Reimburse affected sellers for wrongly denied SAFE-T claims. How these can be verified is the issue, but at least the sellers who have ben affected have evidence of a successful delivery.

Stop issuing automatic refunds for non-returnable items without verification or a process to prevent the fraudulent pattern.

Investigate and take action against buyer accounts showing a pattern of refund abuse.

If you have faced similar issues, please comment below!

Let’s work together to make Amazon aware of this issue and push for changes that protect sellers from this growing fraud.

I hope the moderators are looking in to this as well.

@Ezra_Amazon@Sarah_Amzn@Julia_Amazon

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by Seller_gjL4HyTjeXHMc

I want to bring to your attention a serious issue affecting sellers that we have identified and thoroughly investigated over the past several months. This ongoing fraud is resulting in massive financial losses, and it is happening across multiple sellers. After escalating this issue to Amazon, we are yet to see meaningful action, so I am posting here to raise awareness and hear from others who might be facing the same problem.

The Refund Abuse: How It Works

This fraud primarily affects non-returnable items and follows a clear pattern that allows buyers to exploit Amazon’s refund system while keeping the product. Here’s what we have observed:

A fraudulent buyer places an order for a non-returnable item on Amazon, often through Amazon Prime.

The order is successfully delivered, with tracking confirmation, GPS proof, and a delivery image.

The buyer then requests a refund, citing a random reason (e.g., “wrong item,” “damaged,” etc.).

Since the product is non-returnable, Amazon processes the refund immediately, without requiring the buyer to return the item.

The buyer keeps both the item and the refund, while we as sellers lose both inventory and revenue.

Key Red Flags We Have Identified

Orders are always for non-returnable ASINs (suggesting deliberate targeting).

Amazon grants refund automatically, without verifying claims or requiring returns as it is a non-returnable product.

These buyers do not contact us directly—we only find out after the refund is processed, but there is still no contact from the buyer.

No A-to-Z claims are filed, no returns are requested, and no seller dispute process is followed.

Expansion of the Fraud: External Marketplaces Involved

We recently discovered that this refund fraud is from sellers from other marketplaces such as eBay and OnBuy. Here’s what we found:

A third-party seller lists a product on eBay or OnBuy at a lower price than on Amazon.

A customer places an order on that external marketplace.

Instead of fulfilling the order themselves, the external seller places an order on Amazon (using Prime) with the buyer address who placed the order on that external marketplace, and that Amazon seller (we) ship directly to the buyers address, which is actually the address of the order of that external platform.

The order gets delivered successfully as a Prime order.

After delivery, the external seller fraudulently claims a refund on Amazon, knowing that the product is non-returnable.

Amazon refunds them immediately, allowing them to keep both their profit and the product, while we take a complete loss. Even a Safe-T claim will not be passed as it is a non-returnable product.

Proof of This Exploit – A Test We Conducted

To verify this, we placed an order on OnBuy for £18 and shortly after, the same order appeared in our Amazon store for £35. THis is aproduct only we offer so it of course came to us. This confirmed that OnBuy sellers are simply placing orders on Amazon for higher prices and later exploiting Amazon’s refund system to get their money back.

It can be OnBuy, eBay or any external channel for that matter.

The phone number on the Amazon order was slightly modified (e.g., changing the last two digits), preventing us from contacting the actual customer. This suggests a deliberate effort to block verification and avoid being caught. And of course, we cannot verify customers by calling them an every order basis.

Our Attempts to Resolve This with Amazon

We have submitted SAFE-T claims for such orders.

These orders have successful delivery proof, yet refunds are granted automatically.

Amazon Seller Support and the Safe-T claims team, keeps responding with a generic response saying the item is non-returnable and the refund was "seller responsibility."

Despite providing clear evidence of fraud, Amazon has not taken any meaningful action to stop this.

The Financial Impact on Sellers

This loophole is being exploited daily, and Amazon’s refund policies are making it easy for fraudulent buyers and resellers to take advantage of sellers.

Raise awareness—if this has happened to you, share your experiences below or check your refunds for such a pattern.

Check your refunded orders for a pattern of non-returnable items being refunded.

Look out for orders that are identical to external marketplace sales—you may find that another seller is using Amazon to fulfill their orders and then fraudulently claiming refunds.

Escalate cases beyond standard Seller Support—we have contacted the Amazon UK Managing Director’s Office, Executive Escalations Team, and CEO Office to push for change.

Pressure Amazon to investigate and change its refund policy on non-returnable items—refunds should require at least some verification instead of being granted automatically.

Amazon needs to reimburse sellers affected by this, as this is a clear fraudulent pattern and genuine sellers are penalised for this.

We believe the following actions should be taken:

Reimburse affected sellers for wrongly denied SAFE-T claims. How these can be verified is the issue, but at least the sellers who have ben affected have evidence of a successful delivery.

Stop issuing automatic refunds for non-returnable items without verification or a process to prevent the fraudulent pattern.

Investigate and take action against buyer accounts showing a pattern of refund abuse.

If you have faced similar issues, please comment below!

Let’s work together to make Amazon aware of this issue and push for changes that protect sellers from this growing fraud.

I hope the moderators are looking in to this as well.

@Ezra_Amazon@Sarah_Amzn@Julia_Amazon

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There is another post I read just before about the same issue. The seller in question had done some very in depth research and discovered a scam ring operating on eBay.

I would think this was a matter to be reported to the police, there is an internet crime division who deal with online scams.

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Seller_mgO4peX9I7oHw

hi, same issue we are facing, I will list some tips to maybe minimise the scams everybody is facing.

Always check listings compare price to onbuy/eBay etc to amazon prices, if the prices are super lower compared to amazon, most probably these listings are getting targeted, to prevent I would not SFP on these listings due to returneless refunds.

Make sure customer has a real phone number attached to the order, we have seen customers use fake phone numbers and scam us, so now if the customer does not have a real phone number we do not ship the orders out,

Check your transaction view> refunds and look out for any that you have not been notified about and file safe-T claims against them,

Usually buyers will give a very generic name and in brackets put their customers real name ().

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Here was my reply to VMLtd yesterday on another thread:

hmmmm, I have good news and bad news for you…

Good news.

Not much other than to say you are not alone and plenty of us feel your pain…

Bad news.

My business has so far lost six figures to this Amazon fraud so far. It is a daily battle which currently takes up 90% of my time and I know plenty of others who have lost massive amounts as well. We sell in Grocery so it is all about returnless refunds that the scammers/fraudsters/criminals are attacking. All being sold on eBay / OnBuy and other channels at well below cost price.

And no we can do much about it and we have to follow Amazon policies and Amazon’s response is “just turn off the listings that are in that category”…100% of my business is in that category.

Just search on here for Returnless refunds and you will see the number of affected sellers. We know of plenty more. Competitors have also contacted me with the same issue.

Safe-T don’t want to know. To make matters worse. When Amazon CS refund cause item damaged during transit without proof. You go to claim with Amazon shipping and lose because you have no proof. Anyway. It is horrific.

so to give you a flavour of where we are in the process:

1. Reported it all to Action Fraud. Other than getting a crime number they were not interested.

2. Amazon - don’t want to know. We reported 500+ very clear fraudulent refunds and were told all were genuine. SAFE-T will not do anything. Our Amazon account manger raised it internally and the response from senior sources were “think of our policy from a consumer point of view.” One of our suppliers, one of the biggest coffee companies in the world lost 50%+ of their revenue(!!) in February alone. They raised it with Amazon which acknowledged it was going on and knew the worst affected sectors but still refuse to do anything about it.

3. EBay: burying head in the sand and don’t really want to know. Head of FMCG just saying not his issue but will pass info to relevant team.

4. OnBuy: in fairness, I had a call with their Head of Risk yesterday and he was sympathetic and wanted to work together to weed out the criminals. So fingers crossed that works.

5. National press. I have contacted a well respected national broadsheet who is very interested in the story. We are sending all the data, test purchases etc. so let’s see on that front.

The reality is that we are a bunch of tiny sellers who Amazon don’t really care about. Somehow, someone needs to bring them all together in order to properly force Amazon (and the other marketplaces) to change and help the genuine sellers.

Anyone fancy running a class action? From the analysis we have done, 3rd party sellers have lost £10m+ in the last 6/9 months alone..

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Seller_FR0RYjm1PpXls

Wouldn't Amazon flag it as suspicious if they even had so many automatic refunds? Surely there's only so many accounts they can make?

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Seller_Jce4SXtmnEPc2

Thank you for sharing this—I had a feeling something was off, as we've been experiencing a similar issue, though not on as large a scale as you. We sell in the grocery category and many of our products are non-returnable, yet I've noticed that certain items are being refunded. When I repeatedly asked customer service about it, they kept stating "wrong product received."

To counter this, I installed cameras in the packing area to prove to Amazon that we’re shipping the correct items. However, despite this evidence, our SAFE-T claims are still being denied.

Have you had any success in getting SAFE-T claims approved?

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Call to arms! Journalist who is interested in this story wants to hear from as many affected sellers as possible. Let me create a new thread with more details...

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Seller_YpGZNzOJC6Bme

100% something needs to be done about this! We are losing £100s a week from this scam!

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Seller_S3aHFfAjpTNul

In fact - stop automatic refunds altogether. Reputable sellers are well able to process all claims themselves without interference from the likes of Amazon.

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Seller_hR3Ip6co3B4T7

post. Absolutely agree with you.. have you thought of going to court with this... also has the managing director email address replied to you. We have sent 46 emails but never ever received a reply?

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Seller_zWpliaCE34XT0

There is another post I read just before about the same issue. The seller in question had done some very in depth research and discovered a scam ring operating on eBay.

I would think this was a matter to be reported to the police, there is an internet crime division who deal with online scams.

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Seller_zWpliaCE34XT0

There is another post I read just before about the same issue. The seller in question had done some very in depth research and discovered a scam ring operating on eBay.

I would think this was a matter to be reported to the police, there is an internet crime division who deal with online scams.

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Seller_mgO4peX9I7oHw

hi, same issue we are facing, I will list some tips to maybe minimise the scams everybody is facing.

Always check listings compare price to onbuy/eBay etc to amazon prices, if the prices are super lower compared to amazon, most probably these listings are getting targeted, to prevent I would not SFP on these listings due to returneless refunds.

Make sure customer has a real phone number attached to the order, we have seen customers use fake phone numbers and scam us, so now if the customer does not have a real phone number we do not ship the orders out,

Check your transaction view> refunds and look out for any that you have not been notified about and file safe-T claims against them,

Usually buyers will give a very generic name and in brackets put their customers real name ().

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Seller_mgO4peX9I7oHw

hi, same issue we are facing, I will list some tips to maybe minimise the scams everybody is facing.

Always check listings compare price to onbuy/eBay etc to amazon prices, if the prices are super lower compared to amazon, most probably these listings are getting targeted, to prevent I would not SFP on these listings due to returneless refunds.

Make sure customer has a real phone number attached to the order, we have seen customers use fake phone numbers and scam us, so now if the customer does not have a real phone number we do not ship the orders out,

Check your transaction view> refunds and look out for any that you have not been notified about and file safe-T claims against them,

Usually buyers will give a very generic name and in brackets put their customers real name ().

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Here was my reply to VMLtd yesterday on another thread:

hmmmm, I have good news and bad news for you…

Good news.

Not much other than to say you are not alone and plenty of us feel your pain…

Bad news.

My business has so far lost six figures to this Amazon fraud so far. It is a daily battle which currently takes up 90% of my time and I know plenty of others who have lost massive amounts as well. We sell in Grocery so it is all about returnless refunds that the scammers/fraudsters/criminals are attacking. All being sold on eBay / OnBuy and other channels at well below cost price.

And no we can do much about it and we have to follow Amazon policies and Amazon’s response is “just turn off the listings that are in that category”…100% of my business is in that category.

Just search on here for Returnless refunds and you will see the number of affected sellers. We know of plenty more. Competitors have also contacted me with the same issue.

Safe-T don’t want to know. To make matters worse. When Amazon CS refund cause item damaged during transit without proof. You go to claim with Amazon shipping and lose because you have no proof. Anyway. It is horrific.

so to give you a flavour of where we are in the process:

1. Reported it all to Action Fraud. Other than getting a crime number they were not interested.

2. Amazon - don’t want to know. We reported 500+ very clear fraudulent refunds and were told all were genuine. SAFE-T will not do anything. Our Amazon account manger raised it internally and the response from senior sources were “think of our policy from a consumer point of view.” One of our suppliers, one of the biggest coffee companies in the world lost 50%+ of their revenue(!!) in February alone. They raised it with Amazon which acknowledged it was going on and knew the worst affected sectors but still refuse to do anything about it.

3. EBay: burying head in the sand and don’t really want to know. Head of FMCG just saying not his issue but will pass info to relevant team.

4. OnBuy: in fairness, I had a call with their Head of Risk yesterday and he was sympathetic and wanted to work together to weed out the criminals. So fingers crossed that works.

5. National press. I have contacted a well respected national broadsheet who is very interested in the story. We are sending all the data, test purchases etc. so let’s see on that front.

The reality is that we are a bunch of tiny sellers who Amazon don’t really care about. Somehow, someone needs to bring them all together in order to properly force Amazon (and the other marketplaces) to change and help the genuine sellers.

Anyone fancy running a class action? From the analysis we have done, 3rd party sellers have lost £10m+ in the last 6/9 months alone..

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Here was my reply to VMLtd yesterday on another thread:

hmmmm, I have good news and bad news for you…

Good news.

Not much other than to say you are not alone and plenty of us feel your pain…

Bad news.

My business has so far lost six figures to this Amazon fraud so far. It is a daily battle which currently takes up 90% of my time and I know plenty of others who have lost massive amounts as well. We sell in Grocery so it is all about returnless refunds that the scammers/fraudsters/criminals are attacking. All being sold on eBay / OnBuy and other channels at well below cost price.

And no we can do much about it and we have to follow Amazon policies and Amazon’s response is “just turn off the listings that are in that category”…100% of my business is in that category.

Just search on here for Returnless refunds and you will see the number of affected sellers. We know of plenty more. Competitors have also contacted me with the same issue.

Safe-T don’t want to know. To make matters worse. When Amazon CS refund cause item damaged during transit without proof. You go to claim with Amazon shipping and lose because you have no proof. Anyway. It is horrific.

so to give you a flavour of where we are in the process:

1. Reported it all to Action Fraud. Other than getting a crime number they were not interested.

2. Amazon - don’t want to know. We reported 500+ very clear fraudulent refunds and were told all were genuine. SAFE-T will not do anything. Our Amazon account manger raised it internally and the response from senior sources were “think of our policy from a consumer point of view.” One of our suppliers, one of the biggest coffee companies in the world lost 50%+ of their revenue(!!) in February alone. They raised it with Amazon which acknowledged it was going on and knew the worst affected sectors but still refuse to do anything about it.

3. EBay: burying head in the sand and don’t really want to know. Head of FMCG just saying not his issue but will pass info to relevant team.

4. OnBuy: in fairness, I had a call with their Head of Risk yesterday and he was sympathetic and wanted to work together to weed out the criminals. So fingers crossed that works.

5. National press. I have contacted a well respected national broadsheet who is very interested in the story. We are sending all the data, test purchases etc. so let’s see on that front.

The reality is that we are a bunch of tiny sellers who Amazon don’t really care about. Somehow, someone needs to bring them all together in order to properly force Amazon (and the other marketplaces) to change and help the genuine sellers.

Anyone fancy running a class action? From the analysis we have done, 3rd party sellers have lost £10m+ in the last 6/9 months alone..

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Seller_FR0RYjm1PpXls

Wouldn't Amazon flag it as suspicious if they even had so many automatic refunds? Surely there's only so many accounts they can make?

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Seller_FR0RYjm1PpXls

Wouldn't Amazon flag it as suspicious if they even had so many automatic refunds? Surely there's only so many accounts they can make?

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Seller_Jce4SXtmnEPc2

Thank you for sharing this—I had a feeling something was off, as we've been experiencing a similar issue, though not on as large a scale as you. We sell in the grocery category and many of our products are non-returnable, yet I've noticed that certain items are being refunded. When I repeatedly asked customer service about it, they kept stating "wrong product received."

To counter this, I installed cameras in the packing area to prove to Amazon that we’re shipping the correct items. However, despite this evidence, our SAFE-T claims are still being denied.

Have you had any success in getting SAFE-T claims approved?

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Seller_Jce4SXtmnEPc2

Thank you for sharing this—I had a feeling something was off, as we've been experiencing a similar issue, though not on as large a scale as you. We sell in the grocery category and many of our products are non-returnable, yet I've noticed that certain items are being refunded. When I repeatedly asked customer service about it, they kept stating "wrong product received."

To counter this, I installed cameras in the packing area to prove to Amazon that we’re shipping the correct items. However, despite this evidence, our SAFE-T claims are still being denied.

Have you had any success in getting SAFE-T claims approved?

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Call to arms! Journalist who is interested in this story wants to hear from as many affected sellers as possible. Let me create a new thread with more details...

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Seller_wT0NqCLeE6NuW

Call to arms! Journalist who is interested in this story wants to hear from as many affected sellers as possible. Let me create a new thread with more details...

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Seller_YpGZNzOJC6Bme

100% something needs to be done about this! We are losing £100s a week from this scam!

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Seller_YpGZNzOJC6Bme

100% something needs to be done about this! We are losing £100s a week from this scam!

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Seller_S3aHFfAjpTNul

In fact - stop automatic refunds altogether. Reputable sellers are well able to process all claims themselves without interference from the likes of Amazon.

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Seller_S3aHFfAjpTNul

In fact - stop automatic refunds altogether. Reputable sellers are well able to process all claims themselves without interference from the likes of Amazon.

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Seller_hR3Ip6co3B4T7

post. Absolutely agree with you.. have you thought of going to court with this... also has the managing director email address replied to you. We have sent 46 emails but never ever received a reply?

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Seller_hR3Ip6co3B4T7

post. Absolutely agree with you.. have you thought of going to court with this... also has the managing director email address replied to you. We have sent 46 emails but never ever received a reply?

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