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On Time Delivery Rate Fallen Sharply

Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.

Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%

Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.

I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

On Time Delivery Rate Fallen Sharply

Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.

Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%

Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.

I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

Do you ship using CRL?

We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.

I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342

I will let you know what they come back with

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.

The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)

We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)

We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920

@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:

Dear Sirs,

I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.

The support case in question is:10059570802.

Background:

  • My On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) metrics have been above 98% for YEARS, without fail.
  • Suddenly on 1st August, my OTDR stats dropped to 90%
  • I immediately downloaded the OTDR report to see what had caused the issue.
  • After investigating, the issue was discovered to be that there was a change in what was being counted as late.
  • Previously you did NOT count post that was sent by Royal Mail 24/48 that remained unscanned.
  • Whilst Royal Mail are supposed to scan all RM24/48 post, their levels are actually only around 75% scanned on delivery. This is known and accepted by Amazon and allowances have been made in the Valid Tracking Rates metrics, whereby if we provide the delivery (tracking) confirmation number, before any action is taken on low VTR scores, Amazon will confirm with RM if the numbers are valid, and no action will be taken where the number are valid, whether they are scanned as received or not.
  • When, on the 1st August you suddenly DID start counting unscanned Royal Mail 24/48 on the OTDR report, you have caused a major issue, because the report is a 30 day period, but delayed by 10 days, so it went all the way back to around June 25th and counted all the unscanned RM24/48 post since 25th June for 30 days.
  • Clearly, Amazon would not have meant to implement a change without notice, that caused a back dating of targeted stats which resulted in Amazon market place sellers who use the RM24/48 services to fail the stat.
  • When the OTDR stat is under 95%, a penalty is applied by way of "padding" to the expected delivery date the customer see. (Policy is: https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920)
  • The fact that an untracked RM24/48 did not receive delivery confirmation DOES NOT mean the item was late. It simply means the item fell within the 25% of items that are not scanned by the postman (as accepted by Amazon in the VTR policy).
  • Due to the introduction of this new addition to the count of "late" items, we have instantly become liable for the Delivery Promise Extension because of the backdated report.
  • We completely understand if Amazon intended this change, as it is totally within your rights to alter your own policy. However, to do so without notice on a report that is backdated approximately 40 days would clearly be unfair and is likely to be a mistake.
  • All I wanted in the support case was for someone to look into this mistake to confirm sellers should have been notified and to make sure we were not unfairly penalised.
  • I uploaded two OTDR reports to Seller Support that proved that Amazon DID NOT previously count unscanned RM24/48 postal items, but now do. One is a OTDR report from April with zero unscanned RM24/48 on it, and one from August that shows you now do. I have attached both of these reports to this email.
  • All the replies from Seller support and the Account Health team are about VTR or disregard the fact there has been a change on the OTDR report on the 1st August.

As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.

I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.

It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.

The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.

If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.

Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.

Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.

They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.

I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.

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Seller_QDt7saVBXUDz9

Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.

As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.

Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.

Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?

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Seller_rnpzxTxNUpgwL

Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.

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On Time Delivery Rate Fallen Sharply

Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.

Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%

Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.

I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?

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On Time Delivery Rate Fallen Sharply

Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.

Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%

Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.

I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?

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Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.

Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%

Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.

I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

Do you ship using CRL?

We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.

I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342

I will let you know what they come back with

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.

The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)

We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)

We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920

@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:

Dear Sirs,

I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.

The support case in question is:10059570802.

Background:

  • My On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) metrics have been above 98% for YEARS, without fail.
  • Suddenly on 1st August, my OTDR stats dropped to 90%
  • I immediately downloaded the OTDR report to see what had caused the issue.
  • After investigating, the issue was discovered to be that there was a change in what was being counted as late.
  • Previously you did NOT count post that was sent by Royal Mail 24/48 that remained unscanned.
  • Whilst Royal Mail are supposed to scan all RM24/48 post, their levels are actually only around 75% scanned on delivery. This is known and accepted by Amazon and allowances have been made in the Valid Tracking Rates metrics, whereby if we provide the delivery (tracking) confirmation number, before any action is taken on low VTR scores, Amazon will confirm with RM if the numbers are valid, and no action will be taken where the number are valid, whether they are scanned as received or not.
  • When, on the 1st August you suddenly DID start counting unscanned Royal Mail 24/48 on the OTDR report, you have caused a major issue, because the report is a 30 day period, but delayed by 10 days, so it went all the way back to around June 25th and counted all the unscanned RM24/48 post since 25th June for 30 days.
  • Clearly, Amazon would not have meant to implement a change without notice, that caused a back dating of targeted stats which resulted in Amazon market place sellers who use the RM24/48 services to fail the stat.
  • When the OTDR stat is under 95%, a penalty is applied by way of "padding" to the expected delivery date the customer see. (Policy is: https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920)
  • The fact that an untracked RM24/48 did not receive delivery confirmation DOES NOT mean the item was late. It simply means the item fell within the 25% of items that are not scanned by the postman (as accepted by Amazon in the VTR policy).
  • Due to the introduction of this new addition to the count of "late" items, we have instantly become liable for the Delivery Promise Extension because of the backdated report.
  • We completely understand if Amazon intended this change, as it is totally within your rights to alter your own policy. However, to do so without notice on a report that is backdated approximately 40 days would clearly be unfair and is likely to be a mistake.
  • All I wanted in the support case was for someone to look into this mistake to confirm sellers should have been notified and to make sure we were not unfairly penalised.
  • I uploaded two OTDR reports to Seller Support that proved that Amazon DID NOT previously count unscanned RM24/48 postal items, but now do. One is a OTDR report from April with zero unscanned RM24/48 on it, and one from August that shows you now do. I have attached both of these reports to this email.
  • All the replies from Seller support and the Account Health team are about VTR or disregard the fact there has been a change on the OTDR report on the 1st August.

As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.

I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.

It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.

The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.

If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.

Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.

Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.

They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.

I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.

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Seller_QDt7saVBXUDz9

Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.

As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.

Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.

Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?

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Seller_rnpzxTxNUpgwL

Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

Do you ship using CRL?

We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.

I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

Do you ship using CRL?

We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.

I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342

I will let you know what they come back with

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342

I will let you know what they come back with

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.

The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.

The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)

We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)

We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920

@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)

We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)

We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920

@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:

Dear Sirs,

I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.

The support case in question is:10059570802.

Background:

  • My On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) metrics have been above 98% for YEARS, without fail.
  • Suddenly on 1st August, my OTDR stats dropped to 90%
  • I immediately downloaded the OTDR report to see what had caused the issue.
  • After investigating, the issue was discovered to be that there was a change in what was being counted as late.
  • Previously you did NOT count post that was sent by Royal Mail 24/48 that remained unscanned.
  • Whilst Royal Mail are supposed to scan all RM24/48 post, their levels are actually only around 75% scanned on delivery. This is known and accepted by Amazon and allowances have been made in the Valid Tracking Rates metrics, whereby if we provide the delivery (tracking) confirmation number, before any action is taken on low VTR scores, Amazon will confirm with RM if the numbers are valid, and no action will be taken where the number are valid, whether they are scanned as received or not.
  • When, on the 1st August you suddenly DID start counting unscanned Royal Mail 24/48 on the OTDR report, you have caused a major issue, because the report is a 30 day period, but delayed by 10 days, so it went all the way back to around June 25th and counted all the unscanned RM24/48 post since 25th June for 30 days.
  • Clearly, Amazon would not have meant to implement a change without notice, that caused a back dating of targeted stats which resulted in Amazon market place sellers who use the RM24/48 services to fail the stat.
  • When the OTDR stat is under 95%, a penalty is applied by way of "padding" to the expected delivery date the customer see. (Policy is: https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920)
  • The fact that an untracked RM24/48 did not receive delivery confirmation DOES NOT mean the item was late. It simply means the item fell within the 25% of items that are not scanned by the postman (as accepted by Amazon in the VTR policy).
  • Due to the introduction of this new addition to the count of "late" items, we have instantly become liable for the Delivery Promise Extension because of the backdated report.
  • We completely understand if Amazon intended this change, as it is totally within your rights to alter your own policy. However, to do so without notice on a report that is backdated approximately 40 days would clearly be unfair and is likely to be a mistake.
  • All I wanted in the support case was for someone to look into this mistake to confirm sellers should have been notified and to make sure we were not unfairly penalised.
  • I uploaded two OTDR reports to Seller Support that proved that Amazon DID NOT previously count unscanned RM24/48 postal items, but now do. One is a OTDR report from April with zero unscanned RM24/48 on it, and one from August that shows you now do. I have attached both of these reports to this email.
  • All the replies from Seller support and the Account Health team are about VTR or disregard the fact there has been a change on the OTDR report on the 1st August.

As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.

I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:

Dear Sirs,

I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.

The support case in question is:10059570802.

Background:

  • My On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) metrics have been above 98% for YEARS, without fail.
  • Suddenly on 1st August, my OTDR stats dropped to 90%
  • I immediately downloaded the OTDR report to see what had caused the issue.
  • After investigating, the issue was discovered to be that there was a change in what was being counted as late.
  • Previously you did NOT count post that was sent by Royal Mail 24/48 that remained unscanned.
  • Whilst Royal Mail are supposed to scan all RM24/48 post, their levels are actually only around 75% scanned on delivery. This is known and accepted by Amazon and allowances have been made in the Valid Tracking Rates metrics, whereby if we provide the delivery (tracking) confirmation number, before any action is taken on low VTR scores, Amazon will confirm with RM if the numbers are valid, and no action will be taken where the number are valid, whether they are scanned as received or not.
  • When, on the 1st August you suddenly DID start counting unscanned Royal Mail 24/48 on the OTDR report, you have caused a major issue, because the report is a 30 day period, but delayed by 10 days, so it went all the way back to around June 25th and counted all the unscanned RM24/48 post since 25th June for 30 days.
  • Clearly, Amazon would not have meant to implement a change without notice, that caused a back dating of targeted stats which resulted in Amazon market place sellers who use the RM24/48 services to fail the stat.
  • When the OTDR stat is under 95%, a penalty is applied by way of "padding" to the expected delivery date the customer see. (Policy is: https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920)
  • The fact that an untracked RM24/48 did not receive delivery confirmation DOES NOT mean the item was late. It simply means the item fell within the 25% of items that are not scanned by the postman (as accepted by Amazon in the VTR policy).
  • Due to the introduction of this new addition to the count of "late" items, we have instantly become liable for the Delivery Promise Extension because of the backdated report.
  • We completely understand if Amazon intended this change, as it is totally within your rights to alter your own policy. However, to do so without notice on a report that is backdated approximately 40 days would clearly be unfair and is likely to be a mistake.
  • All I wanted in the support case was for someone to look into this mistake to confirm sellers should have been notified and to make sure we were not unfairly penalised.
  • I uploaded two OTDR reports to Seller Support that proved that Amazon DID NOT previously count unscanned RM24/48 postal items, but now do. One is a OTDR report from April with zero unscanned RM24/48 on it, and one from August that shows you now do. I have attached both of these reports to this email.
  • All the replies from Seller support and the Account Health team are about VTR or disregard the fact there has been a change on the OTDR report on the 1st August.

As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.

I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.

It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.

The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.

If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.

It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.

The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.

If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)

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Seller_yylt4LmSkAuNg

No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.

Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.

Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.

Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.

They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.

Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.

They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.

I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.

I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.

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Seller_ZQyopdiwkUHOZ

No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.

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Seller_QDt7saVBXUDz9

Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.

As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.

Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.

Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?

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Seller_QDt7saVBXUDz9

Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.

As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.

Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.

Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?

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Seller_rnpzxTxNUpgwL

Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.

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Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.

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