Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.
Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%
Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.
I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?
Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.
Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%
Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.
I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?
Do you ship using CRL?
We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.
I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.
I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342
I will let you know what they come back with
Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.
The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.
We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)
We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)
We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920
@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated
@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:
Dear Sirs,
I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.
The support case in question is:10059570802.
Background:
As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.
I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.
My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.
It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.
The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.
If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.
My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.
No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)
Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.
Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.
Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.
Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.
They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.
The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.
I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.
No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.
Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.
As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.
Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.
Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?
Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.
Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.
Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%
Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.
I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?
Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.
Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%
Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.
I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?
Has anyone else seen there On Time Delivery Rate (OTDR) fall drastically today.
Yesterday mine just over 97%, today it is at 50.49%
Worried that will cause delivery times to be extended.
I think Amazon may now be including items which don't have a delivery scan as being late. Anyone else seeing this?
Do you ship using CRL?
We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.
I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.
I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342
I will let you know what they come back with
Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.
The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.
We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)
We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)
We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920
@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated
@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:
Dear Sirs,
I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.
The support case in question is:10059570802.
Background:
As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.
I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.
My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.
It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.
The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.
If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.
My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.
No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)
Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.
Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.
Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.
Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.
They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.
The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.
I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.
No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.
Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.
As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.
Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.
Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?
Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.
Do you ship using CRL?
We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.
I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.
Do you ship using CRL?
We're tracked 24/48 and ours hasn't dropped.
I'd be shocked if nearly half of your labels weren't getting a scan. This feels like a bug in the system.
I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342
I will let you know what they come back with
I have raised a case with Seller Support 10073273342
I will let you know what they come back with
Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.
The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.
Seller Support have given me a totally irrelevant answer mostly related to VTR and not OTDR.
The question is are unscanned deliveries now being included in our OTDR? If so I am worried this will impact the delivery promises we can offer in the future.
We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)
We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)
We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920
@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated
We got exactly the same response, basically not understanding the issue. After a round of back and forth, with Seller Support insisting it was all correct, we eventually got a phone call from account health. It was clear that they didn't fully understand the issue, but they did say it was an intentional change and that nothing was going to be done about it. When we asked if we could escalate it higher, we were told that wasn't an option, but that we could email Jeff Bezos if we wanted! :)
We have now raised this via the Managing Director email, and copied Jeff in in case he wants to get involved from his spaceship! :)
We were also told on the phone that it didn't matter, because there was no penalisation for missing this metric - this is utterly untrue, the policy linked below clearly states that the delivery promise will be extended if the metric falls below 95%, which means our competitors will then have better delivery dates than us, which hugely affects sales - https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/help/hub/reference/G202167920
@Simon_Amazon any help you can give on this would be appreciated
@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:
Dear Sirs,
I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.
The support case in question is:10059570802.
Background:
As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.
I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.
@Simon_AmazonFor clarity, here is what we've sent to the managing director, which lays out the problem in succinct bullet points - provided in case this is of any assistance to you or others:
Dear Sirs,
I would like to raise a formal complaint about a change in your OTDR metrics that was implemented with no notice, which also backdated the stats recorded on that metric by approx 40 days. I would also like to register a formal complaint regarding how your Seller Support & Account Health teams have handled the support case assigned to this issue.
The support case in question is:10059570802.
Background:
As is standard with Seller support, they have failed to read the complaint over and over, no matter how many times we attempt to re-word it, or point out they are not addressing the issue, they simply send the same reply copy & pasted about a different subject. I spoke to an account health team member yesterday evening, who was clearly out of her depth in terms of policy knowledge and did not understand the difference between VTR and OTDR. She was also convinced there was no penalty for the failed OTDR stats, despite me explaining exactly what the penalty was from your policy guidance.
I would be grateful if you could look into the implementation of this OTDR change in policy and confirm if it was intention to penalise all Sellers who used the RM24/48 untracked service, or if (as i believe) it was a genuine mistake that needs to be rolled back and re-implimented with a fair notice period. I would also appreciate it if you could identify those in support and account health teams who worked on this case, and re-train them in this weak area of their knowledge.
My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.
It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.
The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.
If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.
My delivery promise hasn't been extended yet and I am still just over 50%. I am doing around 1500 orders a week at the moment. I am absolutely sure that 50% of my orders are not being received late...if they were I would be flooded with customer complaints.
It is the inclusion of unscanned RM48 that is taking the OTDR down. If they are now counting these as late then I can never see my metric going above 95%.
The other worrying thing is that in the USA they are now saying that if your OTDR falls below 90% you can no longer sell on Amazon.com. If they were to introduce this policy in this country it would mean my OTDR would no longer qualify.
If it is a change of calculation then they should really make this clear to us. I do believe it is probably a glitch.
My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.
My post is pointing out that the maths doesn't work for that to be the reason.
No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)
No, it does - the issue isn't a sudden increase in late post, it's the sudden inclusion of unscanned post being classed as late on the report - previously unscanned 24/48 weren't included (presumably because there was no way of knowing if it was late or not as RM hadn't bothered scanning!)
Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.
Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.
Hope it is a glitch - otherwise amazon really need to drop the pretence here and just say they want orders going via RM Tracked 48 as a minimum.
Sadly, that would I imagine be the end of many sellers, though it is the minimum service amazon seem to use for Prime deliveries around our way.
Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.
Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.
They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.
Or do as they are doing in the USA say that you get OTDR protection if you use one of Buy Shipping, Automated Handling Time or SSA templates.
Obviously it is different over there as you need to have 90% minimum OTDR to sell.
They may well be heading us down this avenue in the UK.
The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.
I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.
The report indicates that they are seeing unscanned RM48 as late.
I agree the maths doesn't work though and I hope it is just a glitch.
No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.
No, it doesn't. As I outlined, for that to be the case, the scan rate would have to be around 50%. CRL gets scanned at between 75% and 90%. In no world is it getting a 50% scan rate.
Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.
As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.
Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.
Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?
Our ODTR rate normally sits around the 95%. We ship CRL 24/48. Last week it dropped overnight to 71% and has continually hovered around 70% ever since.
As has already been discussed the cause of this drop in OTDR is that Amazon are now including orders not scanned on delivery by Royal Mail. This is obviously something we have no control over.
Normally when our ODTR metric dropped to below 90% Amazon would then show extended delivery dates to the customer. However are advertised delivery dates have not been padded YET, they seem to be what we would consider normal.
Has anyone else suffered extended delivery dates due to this drastic drop in OTDR?
Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.
Mine rate has been 100% for a very long tome but has just dropped to 92.81%. I always post items the next even though, like an order received may not need to be shipped until the Tuesday. I routinely do this. I also always enter the VTR code either while at home or using my mobile phone. That is all I can do. Royal Mail take over as soon as I visit the post office and pay the postage. So, it looks like I am being punished by Amazon for the order not arriving on time. WHAT? What kind of crazy system blames me for something I cannot control. Helpful answers would be much appreciated.